Oct 14 - Decreto 801 and global warming

Posted by pattycake on 14 Oct 2007 at 9:59 am

Finally!!. . . a bit more ‘informative’ piece on the new law - Decreto 801. . .

What had been floating around in posts ranged from one extreme to the other. . . with no real word on what the law consisted of. . . It turns out that the law is quite complex, and was initially aimed at conserving the coastline and the natural environment there-on. . . it is ‘not’ a overall ‘ban’ on the entire coastline, but certain geographic areas with restrictions, and there seems to be no authority in charge to enforce the law. . . Reported being 96 pages of fine print, it appears to be ‘fuzzy’ . . . and most believe it will either be overturned or rewritten. . .for a more thorough review read the latest report in Yucatan Living. .

From what I gathered from this report, it does not appear to affect the areas that are already developed. . . which would be where our two properties exist. . . Actually, I think that the initial intent of the law is quite admirable. . . “to prevent further coastal erosion, to protect flora and fauna in sensitive breeding grounds, and to conserve the aquifers which provide most of Yucatan’s fresh water.” . . . and I hope that in the ‘rewriting’ of this law that it does justice to this cause and to the land owners of the coast. . .

There have been many article written on global warming also, and the prediction that the coastlines will recede as this takes place.  .  . and some ‘joking’ (?) that one should buy property further back and wait for the shore to come to them. . . The ‘ever-popular’ National Geographic magazine has done a number of articles on the subject. . yet even in all the studies by professionals and scientists alike, there is dissension as to the total cause and time frame of these events to take place. . .

The climate of this planet is NOT constant. .that is a given. . take a look at history. . Ice ages come and go. . . We are currently in the middle of a warming trend within an ice age. . Is man contributing to the warming trend?. . I am quite sure. . . Can this be reversed?. .Not unless we are ‘all’ willing to give up our current way of living. . .

Whatever happens, if man could predict the future, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in today. . . Yes, we should all be in some concerted effort to do what is possible to conserve the resources that we have and to preserve what nature has provided for us. . . But, I do not think that we can hold back what comes natural in the course of events and time. . Plants and species live and die off. . Ice ages and warming trends come and go. . Man has come and will ‘go’. . And at some future date (hopefully not within my lifetime!) the home that we plan to build on the coast in the Yucatan will be merely another ‘underwater curiosity’ for future archeologists to explore. . .

Oct 6 - Decreto 801 - the big “Uh Oh”

Posted by pattycake on 06 Oct 2007 at 10:21 am

Just how big a mess has this new law - Decreto 801, passed at the last minute by the outgoing governor of Merida, prohibiting any new construction or reconstruction on the beaches of the Yucatan within 60 meters of the high water mark - created ?? Obviously, a very large one. . . . or is it??

The Merida Insider buzzes with comments and suggestions, from urging all to get involved, to urging ‘gringos’ to not get involved. . . while a quick check which I just did of Yucatan Living reveals no word on the issue under their latest news section. . . (I did not go into a ‘thorough’ search there, as this SLOW dial-up really limits my cruising capabilities on the internet) . . but I did want to see if this was a major topic of conversation there. . . Yucatan Today revealed no headlines on the topic. . .

And, to date we have no official word on the topic. . . as it seems to be an issue that will be a while in the resolving. . . I will finish this post by simply copying some of the more relevant comments on this issue from the Merida Insider. . .and in doing so am selecting those that seem to hit the high points on all sides of the issue. . .

The law that the previous governor sneaked pass the world on his last day of administration is very detrimental to the entire beach front population. This law would prohibit any rebuilding of ones property unless it is 60 meters from the beach (190 ft), this includes swimming pools, etc.
In essence if your property line is now 20 meters from high tide, you will lose 40 meters additional that you will not be able to do anything on. What this law would do to 95% of the beach front property owners is make their property of little value as most of the properties could not build behind the 60 meter mark because there would not be enough ground to do it.
So what do we do??????????????? We are going to fight this and have this declared unconstitutional according to the legal consultations I have been having. the entire community and investors are all up in arms about this.
kathleeng

It will be interesting to see how long this new legislation will last when many of the families who have built the HUGE mansions along the beach between Progreso and Chicxulub and beyond get involved. These people are obviously insanely rich and must be very well connected.
Dave_in_Ont

The political/legal environment here is complex, to say the least, and there are many axes to grind — economic and political. Misinformation abounds — and is as likely to come from Mexican citizens as from foreign residents. It seems to me that foreigners would do well to be cautious in their involvment — at least being sure that they are getting accurate information, and know who is providing the information and where their interests lie (that’s NOT meant to question the motives of anyone involved in this issue, or anyone posting here — just common sense).
dug

I would just like to caution that any expats be very careful not to appear to be participating in a political process or debate as regards this issue. It is strictly forbidden for us to participate in politics in any way, and criticism of any government person or entity could be construed as just that.
It is my understanding that at least 400 Mexican beach land owners are now involved in disputing the terms of this regulation. I’m sure plenty of wealthy and influential persons will be involved, so please don’t get into trouble in your participation.
yucajohn

Oct 2 - update on the “Uh Oh”

Posted by pattycake on 02 Oct 2007 at 3:46 pm

Here is what we heard back from our realtor, George Mazun:

“As far I know this law will be not valid because there are many discrepancies with it

  1. The fact that it was a “last minute” decree by former governor Patricio Patron
  2. the government did not give the opportunity to the affected people to express their opinion
  3. the current government will  not accepted because it affects about 5000 families
  4. people still getting permits today to build”

I will post any more news as we get it. .

Thanks George!!

Oct 2 - UH OH

Posted by pattycake on 02 Oct 2007 at 9:56 am

There is some very disturbing news in the Merida Insider, concerning a new law (is it a law??) prohibiting construction and/or reconstruction within a certain distance of the water’s edge at high tide (in the Yucatan). . . It is unclear whether or not this law is in affect yet, or if it is actually a law, and just how it would apply to all real estate in the area. . For anyone interested in reading all the comments concerning this, they are posted on the Merida Insider, in the Discussion Forum, under the topic Living in Merida and ‘update-beach law’. . . Several of the comments on the topic are as follows:

(one comment) - - -I was in a government office on Tuesday morning, waiting, so picked up a copy of Por Esto! Looks VERY scary to me. Will have to find it and really read it. From what I gathered after about three minutes of reading… it has been written up in the Diario Official—no reconstructions, new constructions or remodeling within 60 meters (190ish feet) of the high tide mark. So, if there is a hurricane and houses get damaged, the owners can’t re.build.

(another comment - a bit more informative).. .I just checked Por Esto — there have been a series of articles/responses to the Tuesday article about Decreto 801 (the executive order regarding prohibition for building new, or rebuilding destroyed homes within 60M of the sea). Here is a link to the original article: http://www.poresto.net/content/view/16408/70/
The latest news is a statement by the new state secretary of Ecology that the decree is badly edited, and will be re-written. He says a lot more: (link to today’s article):

http://www.poresto.net/content/view/16857/70/

Keep in mind — this was published in Por Esto!, and the lede focused on the fact that it was a “last minute” decree by former governor Patricio Patron, who is routinely attacked by Por Esto!. In other words, there is probably a bit of “gotcha” type exagerration, to make a political point. In this light, it’s of interest to note that the Diario de Yucatan has yet to publish an article on the topic (perhaps because the original story is exagerrated, OR because the Diario de Yucatan has other political interests…).

Needless to say, this has put our plans on hold for the time being. . . and I have written our realtor asking for any ‘inside’ news on this . . . as it will indeed affect the lots that we have purchased. . . And, as I think about the impact of such a restriction, I recall all the other ‘bits of real estate’ located on the beach that would be affected. . Not just homes, but condos and apartments, rental houses, businesses (restaurants and such) many located by the long pier where the ships dock in Progreso - and not just ‘gringos’ or other foreigners owning property there, but many Mexican citizens own homes and/or businesses within this ‘restricted’ zone. . .

It sounds like there is quite a ‘buzz’ going on at the moment over this ‘news’. . . But all we can do here is sit and wait and hope for some good news on the outcome of this situation. .

So, until we hear more, this is it for now. . .

signing off. . . .

pattycake

Sep 27 - THE REALTOR IN THE YUCATAN

Posted by hopper on 27 Sep 2007 at 1:59 pm

A note to remind everyone looking for property to speak with my friend George Mazun

Please contact George Mazun in the Yucatan for all your real estate needs.

We have used him based on recommendations from others and found him to be most trustworthy and goes far beyond what he has to to make you pleased with your deal…..

Here are his contact number

Jorge Mazun

Mobile :( 999) 9492526

Office: (999) 9418270

US: (661) 3107916 Life is looking easyUS or Canada toll free (888)256-1767

eat3.jpgI trust you will have as good a relationship with him as we have..

And you could soon put yourself in this picture

Sep 23 - a few minor changes

Posted by pattycake on 23 Sep 2007 at 9:56 am

It is said that a woman often changes her mind. . . must be true, as I just ‘had’ to make changes to the initial floor plan of the home we intend to build. . . and, more than likely, up to the time that the builder lays the walls with the cement blocks, I will be perusing them still, looking for any improvements I can make . . . .

In the set of plans that I posted here in a previous entry, the layout was ‘close’ to what I wanted. . . Of course, if I had no limits on money or lot size, there would be no need for me to figure and ‘juggle’ the rooms and walls around to come up with the most convenient layout with an optimum of space use. . and - even before coming up with the previous plan, I had done at least a half a dozen different sketches of various layouts. . . all these still danced in my brain as I studied the plan that we had gotten a bid on. . .

Convenience to the outside patio areas from the kitchen was one thing that I worked for. . . that and a half bath accessible from both inside and outside.  . and having all the rooms located where they had a view of the ocean and could take advantage of the breeze - when weather permitted. . . (okay - so one bedroom upstairs could not be located for this, but at least I have gotten the rest of the rooms laid out in this manner). .

I was not quite happy with the kitchen plan. . .the outside door created a problem with the opening. . . that, and the run of cabinets had to make a turn. .(a straight run in all cabinets would work better, as I will have to research cabinetry in that area yet, and make use in some way of prefab units to fit in with the concrete and tiled counter tops and shelving. .). . still, I wanted to keep the “L” shaped layout of the home and the overall look of the outside of the home. . . two days of shuffling different sketches, drawing and erasing, and a new layout developed. . . a much more open kitchen with more counter space than previous, still convenient to the outside door. . a larger master bath. . relocating the stairs, and a re-arranging of the upstairs bedrooms and bath (making the open room area located towards the beach side of the home) - - and this is what I have come up with. . .

second floor planfirst floor planThe first and second floor layouts. . .with the conversions to metric shown in parenthesis. .

plot planAnd the lot layout. . showing the pool location, the surrounding security wall, and carport.

As the overall sizing is close to the first plan, (we did add just a bit more of square footage), this plan should still fit within out budget. . . Our hopes are that our next trip down there will include signing the contract to start construction of our new home. .

Sep 20 - Spelunking In The Yucatan

Posted by Zaskoda on 20 Sep 2007 at 11:00 pm

DzitnupThis is my first post to Yucatan Gringos. Pattycake and Hopper are my parents (such cute screen names!). I’m extremely excited to see them taking on this great adventure; but that’s not why I’m making this post. I’m here to talk about spelunking - or cave exploration.

Most of my trips to Mexico are for scuba diving or surfing. Due to the geographic layout, the Gulf of Mexico doesn’t produce a lot of surfing waves unless there’s a storm swell. While there’s good diving in the area, I’ve been hunting for another activity to keep me busy when I make my first trip down to see the new house. There are lots of amazing things to do in the Yucatan. One of the most exciting for me is the idea of exploring the Yucatan caves.

Cenote w/OverhangTo get an idea of just how amazing some of these caves can be, take a look at some of the cave photos being posted to flickr. They’re absolutely breath taking. Some of my favorite images are the Lol-Tun Grottes, the cave diving, and this unnamed cenote. A cenote is a water filled sink hole.

Unfortunately, the Lol-Tan Grottes is south of Merida. Thus far, the only landmarks I’ve found close to the new house are ruins, which look to be worth checking out. Still, I suspect there are more cenotes and caves than those few I’ve been able to find online thus far.

In fact, there are still amazing discoveries happening in the Yucatan. Recently, divers found the worlds largest underground river system in the Yucatan. I’m still discovering more and more information online. Perhaps as I collect some information from all of the varied sources I keep finding (example), I’ll make a nice collection of posts here on Yucatan Gringos. Until then, happy Spelunking!

Sep 6 - back from the trip

Posted by pattycake on 06 Sep 2007 at 2:28 pm

The Good. . .The Bad. . and The Awesome. . . . 

We (my husband - Bill, myself, and our daughter - Rhonda - home on a visit from the Netherlands) arrived home from our trip to Merida and Chelem night before last. . . worn out, frazzled, but excited in some respects and still deliberating in others. . . and again though we were there for six days, that was not enough time to do all that we wanted to do. . .

We had booked the trip through Solar Tours, traveling on Mexicana Airlines and our rooms were at the Hotel Del Governador . . . We had traveled by Mexicana our last trip and had been pleasantly surprised with the friendliness of service - and the fact that we were served ‘meals’ instead of just snacks while on board. . . Again the service was the same - the only glitch in this flight was when we got to our hotel rooms and unpacked our suitcases. . . somewhere along the way in the baggage department of either the DFW airport or in Mexico City (where we changed flights for Merida) - we were robbed. . . There, amidst the chaos of what was determined by the ’slip of paper bearing the heading of the Transportation Security Administration’ to be an ‘inspection of the contents’ - were ‘missing and damaged articles’. . .I won’t go into detail of what ‘all’ these where, only that I have written (email) both the airlines and the TSA with a complaint. . . I have not heard back from either of them. . . . . But, needless to say, I was, and still am, ‘incensed’ at the ‘lack of security’ the ’security’ laws project upon the passenger. . . Whoever ended up with my almost full bottle of Burberry Brit - I hope you are ‘allergic’ to it. . . and I still have not figured out the reasoning in ‘destroying jewelery’. . .

But. . . about the trip. . . Basically Wednesday was the day of travel and after arriving in Merida we were met at the airport by Marlene (I hope I spelled her name right!), Jorge’s wife, along with their youngest child . . Jorge had been detained but met us shortly afterward. . .then it was on to the hotel. . . as we were to meet with Jorge again early the next morning to begin our ‘agenda’. . .

The hotel was typical of older renovated hotels in the Centro area of Merida. . the staff friendly and eager to help. . the rooms tight, but ‘air-conditioned’. . a pool and splendid patio areas . . .and a restaurant. . . and - all within walking distance of the many shops and cafes of this historical area of Merida. . . We ‘tried’ for a good night’s sleep - but, perhaps little home on the beachfrom the excitement of our first night there, none of us succeeded in this. . after a few hours of shut-eye, we hurried to meet Jorge early Thursday morning for a run out to Chelem and to view our new home and the lot. . .We were anxious to see if the small one-bedroom home would accommodate our ‘hoped-for’ stay upon the beach while we were on this trip. . . as one of our suitcases had been packed with items just for this stay. . .

vacant lotOur first stop was the vacant lot where we hoped to build our new home. . . On one side of this lot is a home and the other side is an access road to the beach. . . It appears that the access road to the beach has been ‘worn’ over to encroach upon the front portion of our lot. . either that or the wall of the house shown on the left is over a bit further than it should be. . . something that would have to be checked out before we would know the exact bounds of this lot. . . then on to the little house. .

We had brought ‘pen and paper’ - for notes on what would be required to renovate this house  - a project which quickly took on ‘visions’ of major proportions as we ‘measured’ - ‘mused’ - and ’sketched’ - - relocate the tiny kitchen to a full wall in the dining/living area. progresso beach. turn the old kitchen area into utility and storage. . a second story with two more bedrooms and bathrooms. . extended patio with pool. . update everything. . and we ‘figured’ we could camp out in the home for a night or two. . it had water and power. . But - it was well past time for lunch, so to Progreso we went next. . . for a bite to eat . . beneath the little palapas scattered on the beach with the pier in the background. . .

Next - we headed back to Merida, stopping at several different building supply stores to view tiles, kitchen and bath fixtures, and various other supplies. . Home Depot was one major stop. . cabinets, fixtures, doors and windows - oh my!. . . better than Christmas shopping in my book!!. . visions of ‘kitchens and baths’ danced in my head. .then back to the hotel and a bit of shopping on the streets. . .

Friday morning Bill hoofed it the several blocks away to rent a car. . . We managed to ‘push and shove’ all our baggage into the tiny trunk and part of the back seat (for our stay in the little house on the beach). . . stopped to pick up a few cleaning supplies, ice, staple foods, and lots of drinking water. . . and hurried to meet Jorge and his builder at the house. . . We charted the plans of the renovation to the builder via Jorge. . then after they left, we dealt with getting the home ready for our overnight stay. . . Argh!!. . .the water pump didn’t work!!. .(the below ground tank from the city water was full, but the tank atop the house for the supply was only half full. . .). . . team work and a bucket fixed that. . I stooped and filled the bucket. . .Rhonda perched herself at a halfway point and handed the full bucket to Bill on the roof. . . in short time we had the tank on the roof full. . we would just have to conserve on our use. . .

sunset on the beachBill hung the two hammocks that he had purchased in Merida. . Rhonda and I swept and cleaned. . . we laid out the supplies. . . we huffed and puffed to fill the air mattresses (er - ‘makeshift’ ones - as we had brought along the blow-up type pool loungers). . another quick trip to a local store to get more supplies. . . a tiny plug in one burner ‘thingie’. . a skillet. . a coffee pot. . dishes. . and bacon, eggs and bread. . . then back to the house for some time on the beach. . . .All I can say is that - that evening was incredible. . .

nap timeMy air mattress deflated that night. . . the breeze on the beach stopped and the bugs came in. . . Bill came in from his hammock and tried his mattress on the floor. . . We all wished we had bought a fan. . . But - it was our first night in ‘our’ home on the beach, and despite these little annoyances I wouldn’t have missed it for the world. . . We feasted the next morning on fresh coffee and bacon and eggs. . . they never tasted this good at home!! . . Bill took an early morning stroll along the beach. . I tried to catch a little shut-eye in his hammock. . . I didn’t succeed. . .

We goofed off. . .played in the ocean. . . . met our neighbor behind us. . then packed it up later in the day to head back to our hotel in Merida. . .to meet with Jorge and his builder . . (and here I apologize for not being able to remember correctly, much less be able to spell!! - the name of this very amiable Mayan artisan who had built Jorge’s home and was now constructing a pool for him. . . and after seeing Jorge’s home we had decided that we did wish to get a bid from him on our project. . .). . We learned at the meeting later that evening that our eyes had been a bit too big on our renovation project. . . (or at least mine had!!. .). . the costs were reasonable, after reviewing all the would have to be done, and the supplies. . . but did we want to put this much into this home and still be able to build the new home on the vacant lot?. . . questions, and more to follow the next day. .

Sunday we went sight-seeing. . driving out towards Telchac Puerto and beyond, then heading back to Merida through inland roads and several small towns in that direction. . coming into Merida from another direction than we were used to, we had to stop and ask directions several times before we finally found the Centro area where our hotel was. . that evening we got a call from our neighbor by our home on the beach. . wanting to meet and discuss something. . .

The lot with our little home on it is a long one, with another home on the back side. . . the lot was divided by the owner we purchased our home from.  . to accommodate an entry alongside the back house for us, and a small path to beach on the side of ours for the owners of the back house. . . but the plats received by both of us did not match. . . uh oh!. . which one was right?. .Meetings with the lawyer who had drawn up the papers, with the lady who had sold us the home, and a lot of discussion took up a lot of Monday. . It ended up that the plat we had received was wrong. . . The accesses were still there, but the line in the center was off kilter. . not that it changed the overall amount of land on either lot, but the neighbor wished to do away with the access paths on both plats - as he intended to purchase part of the lot to the side of his - and he proposed a straight division of the property with access to our lot at the back side of his future lot. . . sounded fair. . but this would involve addition to the trust already in place on our lot. . . how much would that cost??. . . the day was going fast and we still needed to meet with the builder on an estimate on building our new home on the vacant lot. . .

“That” - the estimate on the construction of our new home on the vacant lot - came in at a price that was a pleasant surprise. . . Still, there are contracts to draw up, more plans to be finished on our part. . . still plenty to do to get the project started. . . And we had to catch an early flight back home the next morning. . Tuesday. . . . this was the end our our stay. .

Jorge and sonDuring all this, Jorge MORE than did the duty of realtor. . . He is indeed a truly generous person. . has a lovely wife and family. . . and we do hope we are added to his list of friends. . as he and his family are indeed on our list. . .

Aug 24 - Well It’s Done !!

Posted by hopper on 24 Aug 2007 at 1:39 pm

The money has changed hands and in return for the money I now have property on the beach..

So this Thursday we go down and see about transferring power and water etc. over to our name..

Our realtor George Mazun (mayanliving.com ) will be with us a few days to show us the main things we need to do while there.. a little about him below

Jorge Mazun - Mayan Living - His energy and enthusiasm have already made him a favorite! He has lived in the US, studying in Los Angeles where he still has family. Jorge holds a US Real Estate license and has experience on both sides of the border as a result knows what is to be expected from a real estate agent, fully bilingual, very knowledgeable of the Mexican Law, with a great personality that loves to work with people looks forward to put his knowledge to work for you.

Reach George at mazun@mayinliving.com

This young man is <<<GREAT>>> he has been a wonderful agent and friend throughout the past many months we have been at this adventure..

My wife and I would recommend this man to everyone interested in property in the Yucatan…

George and FamilyHe and his family are lovely people..All one can do is to give a huge << THANK YOU >> to them for all the help..  His children are beautiful are they not !!

This realtor never asked for one cent up front for anything and went further with help than most Realtors would in the US…

 Now preparing papers for fm3 visas to replace the fmt and will hope that we have them in next few weeks…

This is getting to be pretty exciting now - Wow what a change it will be , living in the Yucatan and not Texas

Have always though I would die in Texas - Now maybe not !!  looking forward to this move…

The wife has us a pretty nice little house drawn up to lay back and enjoy our remaining years..

Hmm - Lot of friends already asking directions to the place - Maybe not so quiet a place after all..

Nuff said for now - Everyone be happy as can be…

Aug 23 - home plans

Posted by pattycake on 23 Aug 2007 at 7:12 pm

A quick post this evening. . . . as have been busy all day getting the house plans ready to take with us on our trip to Chelem next week. . .

second floor planfirst floor planA hurried final adaptation and sketching of the floor plans . . . . first and second floor. . of what we ‘hope’ to build. . .

And a ‘very’ hurried sketch of a rendering of the home. . .without the security wall which will be against the outside stairs on the left side of drawing, and run the full length of the property. . .

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